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June 02, 2005

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david

Tamar: Your posts are so rich -- they're helping me skip dessert!

My middle daughter goes to a Habonim camp and will be in Israel this summer -- maybe when you are?!

Tamar

David, if she is in Israel for a Habonim function during June 30 she might very well attend the reunion. They are bringing groups of young Habonim people too - it is why they organized it in summer. Keep me posted if so. I'll e-mail you my dates!

Leanne

Am curious whether you read Paulo Freire, an educator and a Marxist, who advocated that humanization is the transformation process for the oppressed to break the oppressor-oppressed relationship.

Am interested whether your socialist perspective also influences your views on education, like Paulo Freire did.

Joel

I avoid reunions precisely because I don't want to see how people have aged. And I don't want them to know how I turned out, either. It is just too shameful, too hard for me to explain how a disease completely overwhelmed whatever potential I had and put me a good twenty to thirty years behind my peers.

It's strange where we get our socialist roots. I would say that it all started in Catholic grade school where I listened to what the nuns were teaching and made an effort to apply it. How much easier it was not to rage and compete for every prize, how dull and akward ceremonies of prowess could be.

I set my mind on doing the best I could, on creating beauty and on seeking real justice for everyone. I am by many measures a failure, but I persevere.

Jean

Joel, I felt so upset reading your assessment of yourself as a failure and 'behind' your peers, so completely reinforced in my own socialism - which means precisely not evaluating ourselves or others in that way, as I'm sure yours does. The trouble is it's hardest of all to apply it to ourselves, isn't it? even though, in my view, that is where you *have* to start (I'd say the failure to date of 'real socialism' is pretty much down to people not starting with themselves). Reading your comment made me realise why other people get so upset when *I* make comments like that about myself! I didn't know your blog until Tamar quoted you the other day - and I think I've read your comments on Blaugustine, haven't I? - but will be coming over to have a look, and no doubt get even more indignant that you could say such a thing!

Tamar

Leanne: Yes, I have read Paulo Freire and agree so much with what he talks about - because I believe we have to work within ourselves to become free at the same time, as we actively and *participatorily* seek to change the system with others.

Jean: Thanks for being there and for what you say to Joel! I'll get to that next. I so agree with this statement of yours: "I'd say the failure to date of 'real socialism' is pretty much down to people not starting with themselves." Thank you for saying it so clearly on my blog. I felt a huge YES! surge out of me when I read it.

Joel: I know what you mean about reunions and I have avoided them too in one way or another. It is hard to face "measuring up" with others especially when the standards and the system are so unkind and inhuman. I have a small saying by Harry Emerson Fosdick which I prefer to use as my measuring stick. I will post that next as a gift for you. Your blog is so well written, thoughtful and inspiring. Am thrilled that I "found you" through Blaugustine! I empathize with you about how it feels when you say that stuff about being a failure. That's why my blog is called "In and Out of Confidence." Let's just all muddle through together - trying to change how we were taught to feel about ourselves to seeing who we really are, eh? Thanks so much for stopping by my site.

Ella

I think it's lovely to read about socialists and solidarity when it sometimes feels that these words are seen as pathetic and almost silly in this country these days. Good.

My teenage time when I was involved in political activities has given me so much, and I would probably not be the same person without this experience.

Tamar

Yes, Ella I know what you mean. Sometimes it feels as if all those ideals you and I were taught have disappeared into some dark hole. It's a challenge holding onto them, isn't it?

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