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April 27, 2007

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tamarika

Winston,
My reply came in the form of a whole other blog post! Thank you for the inspiration - stirring up my memories, and for your comment.

Winston

Knowing you as I have for the past couple of years, through your writings, your responses to comments, and your comments on my and other blogs, I cannot fathom that you were so recently of a subservient mind. Coming from that background, as we all did, is understandable. Staying there is not. I, for one, am so glad that you learned and grew your way out of that dark hole.

Frank's comment unearths a very key point that is too often swept aside by the zeal and fervor of "movements" such as equality for women or minorities or --fill-in-the-blank--. They rarely mean achieving equality, but winning a role of dominance. My observations and knowledge (admittedly limited) of the feminist movement indicate that anything less than complete dominance by women and the attendant castration of all men, is unacceptable. Until we all learn to play the same win-win game, it will remain the lose-lose game it has always been.

tamarika

Frank,
I guess that I am pretty much saying what you are concluding. Namely:
"... elimination of privilege is necessary for achievement of equality, and I think that inclusivity is necessary too.

What I don't want to see happen is the victory of matriarchy over patriarchy."

Although, I think when you refer to "matriarchy" here, I think it is Patriarchy winning out in the end. Because once women's groups choose exclusion, domination and elitism in the end, we are unconsciously following the Patriarchal system.

And at the same time I understand the feeling of "needing" to be exclusive and dominant in order to externally act-out the pain of exclusion for so long and thereby feel justified to receive privilege finally and once and for all.

The balance will come when we (and everyone has their own pace with this - because everyone's pain is differently felt and expressed - all is valid) can understand our rage and enter a different sphere where we are able to accept "otherness," and listen with empathy to each other's stories.

[PS - thanks so much for linking to my post in your comments section. Much appreciated]

Frank Paynter

Tamarika, thank you for the link to my post. My grandmother was a first wave feminist and my wife, my life partner, is a second wave feminist. If these strong women taught me anything it is that they eschew participation in the patriarchal games that define success in the patriarchal culture. So, while I applaud the industry and initiative of the women of BlogHer, from my perspective they are caught in a trap of their own devising. As long as success for them includes denying their own leadings and giving equal weight to the viewpoints of people on both sides of important issues, for example reproductive rights and freedom to choose, they will remain tied to patriarchal values. I really don't mind that the gender barrier to communication that they have erected. Freedom of association is everybody's right. But, I believe that elimination of privilege is necessary for achievement of equality, and I think that inclusivity is necessary too.

What I don't want to see happen is the victory of matriarchy over patriarchy. What then? Principled anarchy? Something like that...

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